More to say on Gib Arnold …

July 25th, 2011

This is from reader Norman Tyau in response to Sunday’s column.

Arnold’s substitutions are >500% more than that practiced by his two immediate predecessors. Both Nash and Wallace let players sit on the bench till the last few seconds of many a game and did not develop players via substitutions throughout games. Prime, glaring example of this was Carl English who basically sat on the bench till he was needed because of an injury to a “frontline player” in the WAC end of season tournament. Then he was discovered ?

Speaking of promises being made and not kept ? Nash promised his recruits that he would be using a run-n-gun style of play but as one of the player’s Mother commented, he was full of baloney because he ended up following Wallace’s boring, ineffective and unentertaining, slow down “flex motion” offense.

And finally, discipline for not attending classes is absolutely correct punishment/motivation.

18 Responses to “More to say on Gib Arnold …”

  1. Mr. B:

    Hmmm, these players should have seen what my Little League and Pop Warner Coaches used to make us do to “discipline” us. This was in the 70′s, where suing a coach or a league for being “too tough” was never heard of. A time when drinking water had to be EARNED. One time my Pop Warner coach caught me in a lie. I was late for practice, and I told him I had a lot of homework. The problem was that he saw me goofing around on my skateboard in my neighborhood. Well, he made me run, in full pads and helmet, for 1-hour straight, in the blazing sun, with no water break. He stopped me about 15 mintues before practice was done – just in time for me to join the team for some 100-yd wind sprints. I never lied to him again.

    Today’s athletes are bigger, faster, and stronger, but, in my opinion, they are much “softer” and mentally weak.

  2. Mr. B:

    I forgot to mention that I had to run laps AFTER profanity laced verbal lashing from my coach. After practice, I got another profanity-laced warning. My coach told me, “You better not ever #$%^&^& lie to me again!” After practice, my coach told my dad what had happened. My dad told my coach, “Next time, slap his #$*&en head too!”

    You do that to a kid today, that kid will go home, cry to his parents, and the coach and the leauge would get sued for big money.

  3. Innocent Observer:


  4. Innocent Observer:

    Mr. B your pop warner coach was too strict, in today’s environment, that kind of “coaching” will not be tolerated. There is not need for abusive language or physicla pain. When I coached littel league baseball, I did not discipline the players for late practice of missing practice (no valid reason). Participation was more important than winning and each player had to play a certain amount of time. I felt it was unecessary to discipline the child if he/she was forced to participate by the parents. The interested players will play and those who do not will eventually leave, but it is not the coaches responsibility to abuse the child.

    In regards to college players; they are considered adults. They know that they must follow team rules, if not they will be disciplined accordingly. Continual breaking of team rules will result in loss of scholarship and dismissl from the team. They know this, so having a player endure physical pain and humilation is not constructive. Serious players will abide by team rules, not so serious will not; simple as that, and consequenses will result from their actions. To abuse a player is not constructive; some make mistakes, but if the coach feels that the player can be “rehabilitated”, then it should be done constructively; if not, then do what needs to be done – but not abuse and humiliation.

  5. Mr. B:

    @ Innocent Observer – I agree with you 100% – many of my coaches were much too harsh. Sometimes it got to the point where I, literally, HATED their guts. It was not a positive experience for me. I had fun playing games, but it always felt like we were walking on egg shells – getting yelled at all the time; running all the time, etc. I hated to practice because I hated to see my coaches. I would pray for thunderstorms just so that practice would get cancelled.

    However, from what i’ve been reading, Coach Arnold did NOTHING that came close to harsh treatment. He simply seems to be trying to instill discipline in his players. Many (not all) kids in America today think they are entitled to things. It’s incredible. Aloha!

  6. cocobean:

    Makes me wonder why UH would hire a $750 per hour law firm to investigate this matter. Did some hint at recruiting violations or play the Race Card?

  7. James:

    I like Gib Arnold’s free substitution style of coaching. It allows “fresh” players to get into the game to maintain an up-tempo game. The key is to have a deep bench, so it matters little who are playing in the game. I think this kind of coaching allows the coach to look for and take advantage of mismatches. Drives opposing coaches nuts! Noticed in the NCAA tournaments, the successful teams went to their benches freely. Can’t win in these situation with 6 or 7 players. Players will be playing tired. And who can continue winning with tired players. Need at least 10 good players in a game to go full steam. Coach Gib has the right coaching philosophy to take the team to a higher level by getting more players into the act. Players shouldn’t “habut” (grumble) when benched. Let the coach have free rein running the team.

    Games are usually won and lost on the free throw line. Everything equal, the team that makes the most free throws win. A successful college coach who had good free throw shooting teams said he used to have his players shoot 100 free throws at the end of practice when the players were dead tired. If they did not hit a certain percentage, they had to run up and down the bleachers several times. The players became better free throw shooters and were able to concentrate and focus because of this practice. Is that punishment/abuse or is it discipline?

    Looking forward to another great basketball season. Go Warriors!

  8. slenzi:

    Good to support Coach Arnold, but lets have some basketball without controversy for a change. Reilly-ball, love it or hate it was actually the gold-standard in the WAC for half-court play. You cannot run-n-gun with just a couple players capable of doing that. Our expectations for Nash were too high, especially with the way he was brought onboard as head coach. UH will always be a hard sell for recruiting the types of players that can run it and gun it. Our mix of a couple good 4-year recruits, some JUCO stars, and some surprises from home grown talent are what will make UH a competitive, 20 win team, but a constant presence in the NCAA tourney is probably not in our future. Love em, support em and keep the expectations real for who we are – and fill the Stan for the home games. Nothin better than the house rockin and roaring to steals, blocks, dunks and 3-pointers. For James above: gotta have the positive rebound margin to go with the foul shooting. Aloha!

  9. eagle:

    slenzi & CO.

    Feel Free to Raise Your Standards: One of the Great Miracles of Human Evolution and Performance, and Our Freedom, Liberty and “Pursuit of Happiness” is that

    The FUTURE Does NOT Have to Look Like The PAST -

    MANY of the Current “Perennial” NCAA Tourney Teams (and still many of their Current Conference Also-Rans) did NOT have so Lofty a Past …

    i’ll look for More Results, More Consistently GOOD Results and Some Controversy (especially when it’s because of or in support of Growth and Improvement (similar to JJones & Co.)

    RE: Free Throws – Gib takes it a Step Further — NOT just more free throws, but More Free Throws MADE than the Other Team even gets to Take — That Requires the smarts to play a style of ball that challenges players to get More on Every Play, Not just making a shot (esp. a jump shot) but getting up against the defense to challenge for a better shot and draw fouls; then to also Make ‘Em …

    Similarly established Goal for Rebounds (except remember By Definition: Rebounds EQUALS Missed Shots – hopefully more missed by the other team);

    Therefore also consider Goals for Shooting Percentage, Assists, Turnovers, Last Three Minutes (similar to UH Football, Volleyball, etc.)

    WIN Enough of the Tipping Point Factors and you’re LIKELY to Win the Game;
    Win Enough of the TP Factors and you’re almost Assured of Winning the Game …

    …and 20 Wins (i’m sure is his Low Point, The FLOOR, NOT The Ceiling or even the Average) –i BET it pains Gib that he’ll NEVER get that Low-Point 19 Wins Off of His Record — but also takes the Positive View Point that we should “Never” have that Poor of a Season Again …

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