Hawaii drops to No. 7 in poll

November 29th, 2010

Think the coaches are making a statement with voting Cal and Hawaii where they are, but doubt the committee cares.
Cal No. 4 Hawaii to 7, UNI, the tournament No. 5 seed up to No. 10. Oregon, which didn’t make the tournament, evenough votes for No. 26.


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  • Yabba-Dabba-Doo November 29, 2010 at 9:58 am

    *They got our record wrong . We’re 28-2.

    * No votes for Utah State .

  • rayson November 29, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Sorry to change the subject but any word on the men’s volleyball recruits? And any word from Charlie Wade about how his trip to Europe went?

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 10:43 am

    no on both accounts.

  • John November 29, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    At this point polls don`t mean much. Tournament will start in a few days then we`ll know who belongs.

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Don’t totally agree, John. A lot of good teams will be out after the first and second rounds because of the seedings and pairings.

  • grrrr go bows November 29, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I agree with Cindy. Parity is not being honered this year. If it was, then they would have shifted some of these unseeded but top 25 teams around the regions. It is a huge slap in the face of Oregon for example. I think Washington got a raw deal along with Hawai’i.

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    problem is they don’t use the coaches poll to seed, they use the RPI. then they go regional when they feel like it. the answer is to seed the whole tournament like basketball does … but that might take too much effort.

  • John November 29, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    You do have a point but as far as the way it`s been done by the committee, it`s too late to complain about the good teams that got shafted. I could tell you that a lot of other teams definitely should of got in other than some of the East Coast teams. Some of those teams have what 10 -12 losses by who?

  • John November 29, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    I think RPI is a kind of an unfair way to judge a team. Any team can be beaten on any given day. Cal beat Standford and then Cal lost AZ state. Just as we lost also. As Dave said, Wahine can beat anyone this year.

  • Lionel November 29, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Seeding, draw has progressively gotten worse. Does UH’s administration have a voice? Can they, along with other slighted schools, voice their concerns and make a difference? I hope UH is doing everything under their power to prevent a repeat(tri-peat, quad-peat) of the terrible draw they’ve been having of late. It would be a shame for us to host a regional next year, get misplaced lord knows where, and not be at our own regional next year!

    • dino November 29, 2010 at 5:29 pm

      Agree, and they say travel is a criteria, unseeded UW got to stay home and Wahine sure to be a seeded team next season

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    I’m sure the committee again will get an earful at the coaches convention, although it didn’t seem to change things this year. but there isn’t much UH administration can do to change it. You can just hope the coaches band together for a fairer system and force the ncaa to do something.
    no guarantee hawaii will host first-second round next year despite hosting the regional. they didn’t the last time when they had to play at Long Beach State just to get back home. and then the committee sends USC and UCLA here.
    my problem with the selection is that the RPI is skewed. they should at least factor in the coaches poll and the Pablo rankings. Football figured it out to some extent.
    they also need to seed the tournament 1-64.

  • Bud November 29, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Pablo is skewed too.

  • Kimo November 29, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    I hope HAWAII uses the unfair seeding & rankings as motivation to kick butt. Best of Luck to our RAINBOW WAHINE!

  • grrr go bows November 29, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Cindy I understand that they used the RPI’s but if they did use with, Stanford would be a 5 seed instead of a three seed. Again other teams did not follow the RPI exactly. It seems like a go to excuse of a measuring guide until they want to give an east coast team the advantage. Hawai’i’s latest RPI is 11 so why not seed them at 11?

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    I ran the side-by-side comparison on a thread yesterday showing RPI vs. seed. Cal got a 7 seed but has a 10 RPI.
    If they went strictly by RPI, Hawaii should be seeded 11. but the committee then goes to ‘regional placing’ so if they wanted to keep Hawaii in the seattle region, they had to give UH the 15th seed because they’re in the region with Nos. 2, 7 and 10
    None of it makes sense. they claim regional when it’s convenient but have no problem moving teams out of their region. UNI is No. 4 RPI, hell if they’re going to give the Panthers a top-4 seed. so it went to Penn State, the top seed in the Penn State regional.

    Stanford 2 RPI, 3 seed. Nebraska 3 RPI, 2 seed.
    If they don’t care about making money, or losing money, then they should seed 1-64 and be fair.

  • warriorfan November 29, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Off topic a bit, is Charlie Wade back from Germany? I hope he got the german recruit to sign.

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    He should be back but I haven’t seen him on lower campus. They don’t have practice for another few weeks.

  • masteruke November 29, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    my opinion on the selection of teams. Maximum only the top three teams from each conference and say 6 independents to round off the selection. No seedings. Give each team a number put it in a keno hopper and let the pairings begin. Same for regional sites one number for any conference wanting to host. By doing it this way we can get rid of the crooked NCAA selection goons and the worthless RPI

  • JOJOSHOJAW November 29, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Lets just WISH the Wahine a blessed road trip. I pray that they will go far as they can….


  • John November 29, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    Hey Cindy, I noticed that Utah State wasn`t even mentioned as receiving any votes by the ACVA poll even though they beat us for WAC championship or beating AZ state earlier in the year. They did have some quality wins.

  • Cindy Luis November 29, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    yep, noticed that as well. not a lot of love out there for Utah State.

  • John November 29, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Really sad… I hope USU can give Cal a run for their money. Btw, on another note, was there any video coverage of the tourney selection show of the Wahine? I saw on volleytalk that some schools showed their selection videos. What were the girls reaction the show? Was it cheerful and excited or dead silence and muttering like last year? Your thoughts, please.

    • Yabba-Dabba-Doo November 29, 2010 at 8:09 pm

      They have no chance against Cal.

  • Jogga November 29, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Not a lot of love out there for WAC teams period.

  • John November 29, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    I`ll bet 9 out of 10 times USU could beat some of the East coast teams like Albany (NY), Niagara, and so on that got in the tourney.

  • John November 29, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    I gotta agree Jogga. They don`t even like us much. We`re just the thorn in the committee`s side. I hope our thorn hurts real bad too!

  • dino November 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    No love here either for giving our Wahine a wake up call …but if it helps us to go far in the NCAAs…USU and WAC will get a little more respesct

  • dino November 29, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Judging by the pics on Cindy’s article on Star, Wahine did not look very happy or having hard time reading or believing the brackets. Love the comments they made though,seems to have gotten that wake up call and ready to go out and show they are a good team.GO BOWS

  • Yabba-Dabba-Doo November 29, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Both matches on K-5 . Team web site has all the updated info.http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/news/2010/11/29/WVB_1129101720.aspx

    Isn’t this out 29th trip to the NCAA’s ? At least that is what I counted in the history section of the media guide yet they say it’s our 28th appearance.

    • Warrior15 November 29, 2010 at 8:42 pm


      • Cindy Luis December 1, 2010 at 3:04 pm

        Don’t read too much into the players’ faces. They were looking at the bracket. not even sure when the photo was taken. Our photog shot some before the show even started.
        As for Hawaii’s number of appearances …

        NCAA started sponsoring women’s volleyball in 1981. This is the 30th tournament. UH has missed only 1, 1992.
        number of items not updated in UH’s media guide.

  • John November 29, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Hey Dino, what other comments have you heard besides what I`ve read in the Staradvertiser? Thanks…

    • dino November 29, 2010 at 10:06 pm

      Sorry,my man just a UH sports fan like you…got done watching Hawaii 50…maybe we should ask McGarrett if he can get us some insider info and interview with the players…or better yet try to get Cindy’s take on the players and coaches reaction to the news of their dispatching to UW’s loaded bracket

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  • Mike November 29, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    the problem playing in a tough bracket is you may be able to beat any team in the country however to beat three or four top teams is very difficult. If you’re in an easy bracket, one or two games is all you need to be on your top game. VERY UNFAIR!

    • Lyle November 30, 2010 at 12:32 am

      1 team will do it.

  • sunandsurf November 29, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    another naive but sincere question: will leaving the wac generally increase the wahines’ odds of getting a fairer deal when it comes to post-season play?

    • Kazu November 30, 2010 at 6:29 am

      I think not. I think that when it comes to womens vollyball no matter what Hawaii does they get shafted in the end. I hope i’m wrong,it won’t be the first time.
      Cindy, like to see more interviews with the players or is it something that Shoji will not permit?

      • Cindy Luis December 1, 2010 at 2:34 pm

        Could you elaborate about wanting more interviews with the Wahine? Shoji is very good about access. There’s not always that much space for comments and, for example, postmatch, we really don’t have time to talk to more than one or two players.

    • Kimo November 30, 2010 at 8:04 am

      Unfortunately NO! Ever since 9-11, the NCAA has used that as an excuse to seed the tournament however THEY want to. THEIR suppose to keep traveling to a minimum and seed teams as close to their proximity as possible. But it seems only the East Coast teams benefit from this ruling since the balance of power is from the Midwest to the Pacific Ocean. And instead of shifting west coast teams to the east coast, they seem to think its more appropriate to shift east coast teams to the west to make it even more un-balanced. They say its to save travel time and money but that’s a bunch of baloney. Truth is that everyone on the committee is concerned about their TEAM and/or their Conference. How the Missouri Valley Conference gets 4 bids into the tournament is beyond me. Hopefully someday, we will have members on the selection committee with volleyball knowledge who can make the FAIREST decision during team selection & seeding.

    • Cindy Luis December 1, 2010 at 2:58 pm

      No, leaving the WAC won’t do anything for the odds of hosting. or a better seed. Although the Big West’s overall RPI might become a little higher than the WAC if some of those bottom programs get their act together.

  • WaWa November 30, 2010 at 8:12 am

    All we need is One Hawaiian on that committee. Can be a transplant…as long as they have some kinda local tie maybe we’ll finally get a break.

  • BIK November 30, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Get over your inferiority complex Hawai`i.

  • roygbivs[TerenceTwkWong] November 30, 2010 at 11:36 am

    this committee bulldoo-doo happens every year!!! Something needs to change or why have teams play full seasons?? Body of work over 30 games means crap to these suits, crazy how they seed these teams. UNI a No.5, come on?? #6 USC, #7 Cal, #8 Illinois #9 Texas… just don’t get it?!?

  • wen November 30, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    As long as the NCAA is paying the bill, they choose the songs. If more teams other than Hawai’i actually made money on women’s volleyball, it would be viable for the schools to either force the NCAA is seed fairer or go off and start their own national tournement.

  • RYK November 30, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Someone had asked about mens volleyball recruits earlier.

    There finally up on the UH website


    It’s a little disappointing that we couldn’t get any of the top local players this year especially after the good year last year. Nothing about a German player, maybe we won’t hear about him until Spring?

    • warriorfan November 30, 2010 at 7:52 pm

      Well hard to change these boys minds with just one great season.

      I think a championship in 2011 will go a long way. UH can do it. I know they can.

      This class is imcomplete I would think, UH still needs to sign a setter to replace Nejc and a middle blocker to replace Dyer.

  • Cindy Luis December 1, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    They aren’t done with recruiting. see newer thread.

  • wahinemaniac December 1, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    I saw a clip of the wahines practice at the site where they are playing tomorrow and they did look relax and sharp. The only thing like I mentioned earlier GRIFFITHS moves too darn slow and its not her fault and I am not going there. She seems to be in everyones way cause she moves too slow. She makes the team look less dynamic! She is a good backrow player but come on am I the only one analyzing wrong!!
    I dont care how much Emily is struggling but the team have more bounce with her in the game. I guess we will have to watch and see if my observation is WRONG. If I am I QUIT!!!!!

  • Cindy Luis December 2, 2010 at 9:01 am

    I don’t know what to say about the DS situation. It’s Shoji’s call. Agree that it changed the court chemistry when Maeda wasn’t out there but teams noticed that she wasn’t passing short serves well and picked on that. Don’t think Griffiths was that much better at times but she does have a better serve.
    Can tell you that Maeda and Ka’aihue talked during water breaks at the last practices I’ve been at, about ‘form’ and ‘platform’ so Maeda is very conscious of what she needs to work on. Perhaps she’s thinking too much. She has quite a background in dance and should just start listening to the game’s rhythm (IMHO).
    Guess we’ll all have to watch to see what happens.

  • wen December 2, 2010 at 9:55 am

    It was probably hoped that either Maeda or Griffiths would step up and fill the niche that Jayme Lee left when she graduated.

  • sunandsurf December 2, 2010 at 11:29 am

    wow. someone’s been drinking too much coffee, i think! in today’s article by miller , kahala kid writes “Instead of helping them recover Miller once again will say or do anything to destroy their confidence yet she has no problem kissing up to the opponents and encouraging them like her BFFat NMS.Miller is Wahine hater.” jeez! relax man! somebody pass him a joint! ha! ha! can’t wait for game time! (live on KFVE at 3:00 and on their website)

  • DINO December 2, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I read the article and comments,agree its disturbing that a fan(s) make unfounded statements about a profesional sportswriter and try to illicit other negative comments and reactions(on purpose) but glad we live in a free society

  • Cindy Luis December 2, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Give me a break (regarding KK’s comment) there was nothing negative in Ann’s story. Thanks SAS and Dino for bringing some sanity to this.
    It’s called balanced reporting, and giving some insight into a team that Hawaii fans don’t know anything about.
    People will read whatever they want into a story.

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