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November 30th, 2009

I put it up on breaking news a few hours ago but couldn’t get into the blog. Hawaii will play the 5 p.m. match, which is better for them. The host school is supposed to play the late game but SC was trying to say the seeded team should play the second game. Hawaii said, no, that’s not how it works.

After practice today. Shoji checked his messages and had one from Russ Rose (Penn State coach). Typical Rose (great dry sense of humor). Said. Sorry. Good Luck.

I got an email back from SC coach Mick Haley. He said they were caught by surprise that they would be hosting. I believe last year it was either SC or UCLA who didn’t put in a bid but still hosted. Weird if you read the NCAA manual about the bid process. Haley said he was very surprised Hawaii wasn’t hosting. New Mexico coach said the same thing but added that it would have been tough for them to get to Hawaii to play Thursday.

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  • HIFANVA November 30, 2009 at 3:17 pm


    Why does USC not want to play the second game? Is it because they want to play the first game to be rested an extra 2 hrs before they play Hawaii in the 2nd round?

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    the thing is, you want to play the early game ’cause if you win, you can scout the next opponent better. and you get the rest. it’s a different game-day schedule if you play the second game. you can watch the first game only so long and then you do other things, like team meeting, lastminute scouting on your opponent. an advantage to playing first.

  • Shoji_Fan November 30, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Cindy, I just wanted thank you for doing your blogs and responding to ppl’s comments and questions. I normally would go to volleytalk for info, but it’s getting so ugly there. Your blog is soooo much better. For reals. I love it. Thanks again :)

  • Robin November 30, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Suspicious of the merits of the RPI the first week it came out. As for the latest (11/23), with UH at #22. These comparisons with #15 RPI Florida International of the Sun Belt and #20 RPI Northern Iowa of the Missouri Valley.

    #22 Hawaii (28-2)- wins over Stanford (3-0) (#4 AVCA, #6 RPI), UCLA (3-0) (#9 AVCA, #11 RPI), St. Louis (3-1) (#21 AVCA, #29 RPI), and over AVCA receiving votes Pepperdine 2X (3-0) and NMSU 3X (3-1, 3-1, 3-0).
    losses to Texas (1-3) (#2 AVCA, #1 RPI) and Cal (2-3) (#10 AVCA, #8 RPI)

    #15 Florida International (30-3)- best win is Middle Tennessee (3-1) (not on AVCA, #30 RPI)
    lost to Kentucky (0-3) (#13 AVCA, #21 RPI), Florida State (1-3) (#12 AVCA, #3 RPI), and Middle Tennessee (1-3) (not on AVCA, #30 RPI)

    #20 Northern Iowa (28-2)- best win is Ohio (3-2) (receiving AVCA votes, #24 RPI)
    lost to Iowa State (1-3) (#5 AVCA, #7 RPI) and Texas A&M (1-3) (receving AVCA votes, #40 RPI)

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    People have asked what message the committee sent to Hawaii. What I think the Coaches poll says to the committee was pay attention to the people who know the game and the teams. Hawaii stays at No. 3.

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Thanks for the kind words. Agree VT has gotten a bit nasty. plus filled with anti-UH types. I try to stay objective but some people are so over the top.

  • po'okela November 30, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    love your blog too cindy.

    although VT has a lot of haters. i can’t wait to rub it in their face come next week ;)

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Can tell you that Haley was surprised they’re hosting. but Hawaii only having Thu-Fri available really hurt.

  • Warrior15 November 30, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    I wonder if the football team would ever consider adjusting their game schedule during the first week of December so that it leaves open the possibility of the women’s vball team putting in a more practical hosting bid for the 1st/2nd rounds.

    I’m guessing that weekend will usually be the last game of the season for the football team, so it will typically be at home. But maybe they can schedule a Friday game, so that the vball team can bid for a Sat-Sun hosting package.

    Just a thought.

  • John November 30, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Hey Cindy. Wrote to some of the committee members from the contacts that were given.
    I wrote and told them of my displeasure at their awful decision making and so on. Got a few e-mails back from the NCAA committee and they all say the same thing. “They had no decision in sending the Wahine to USC for the 1st and 2nd rounds” No why don`t I believe that.

  • John November 30, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    In response to your e-mail (below) to Christine Dawson.

    I want to assure you that the University of Hawaii has the respect of being a great program. Secondly, the committee is made up of 10 people from the membership representing many different conferences, so to imply that Chris Dawson actually had any influence sending Hawaii to Southern California is inaccurate. The seeding process is based on the selection criteria for all at-large teams. I can assure you the committee works diligently to ensure all teams selected are evaluated under a consistent process. The hosting opportunities are reviewed based on seeds and whenever possible are given the opportunity to host. The committee is charged to have the least amount of flights in building the bracket. California, Oregon, Minnesota and Washington all seeded teams are also not hosting 1st and 2nd round.

    Thank you for interest in the volleyball process.

    Tina Krah

  • John November 30, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Comment above from the NCAA Committee Tina Krah. Associate Director of Championships.

  • IslandGirl November 30, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Cindy, I also want to thank you very much for this blog and taking the time to answer questions and give out information. I stopped posting on Volleytalk years ago when it turned so anti-Hawaii and hostile.

    Anyway, please keep us updated about KFVE possibly televising the matches. I can’t make it to the sub-regional and would love to see it. Would emailing KFVE to plead help? : )

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    in the grand scheme of things, FB makes too much money to have that happen. plus its an ESPN game and UH is at the mercy of TV. the best thing would have been to have Wisconsin Friday and host Sat-Sun, as Warrior15 suggests. but then the winning team would complain that they wouldn’t have enough time to get to the final four site.
    Sadly, football drives the equation and there’s been years that the WAC has held up scheduling volleyball because football schedule wasn’t done. most schools happy to have FB and VB same day with oncampus facilities. won’t happen at Hawaii.
    interesting since the AVCA.NCAA (or whoever) once discussed alternating the final before between Hawaii and Nebraska, the two permanent hosts.

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 11:27 pm

    hmmm, are they saying no decision or no choice but to send Hawaii to SC. Very interesting since the SC coach was very surprised they were hosting, and just happy to make the tournament.

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    John, thanks for posting the NCAA comment. The one thing that stands out is saying the seeding process is based on the selection process of all at-large teams.
    Hawaii was not an at-large team, but an automatic qualifier.
    think they copped out. most of the Pac-10 teams she mentioned did not put in a bid to host because they have basketball this week.

  • jeff November 30, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    OMG OMG OMG what a JOKE FSU NOLES #3 not the football team the volleyball one. At least the BCS makes some sense. No Matter i know we should not look too ahead But beating Stanford to the final 4 would really make me back

  • Cindy Luis November 30, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Told Shoji the pressure was on (this after he received the text from Rose). If Hawaii were to meet PSU in the NCAA semis (and thats how the bracket lines up) … Russ is going for his 1,000th against Shoji.

  • Lyle December 1, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Last year was @ the Rose Bowl so missed last years game. This time I’ll wear my “H” for the first game and the SC sweat for the second game.
    Next night???…. Come on now the women of Troy will find a way to win the game when all is said and done!!!…
    Oh wait, I did say Hawaii was going to be in the final 4???…. Oh well I guess that’s what happens when I let my brain do the thinking for my heart. OMG any region but that one!!!

  • Roger December 1, 2009 at 1:36 am

    Would the Wahine have hosted the 1st and 2nd rounds if the matches had been scheduled for December 4/5 or December 5/6?
    Has the University of Hawaii Athletic Department considered having a volleyball match on the same day as a football game?

  • John December 1, 2009 at 3:06 am

    Cindy, that`s exactly right! The NCAA committee thinks we in the islands aren`t that bright and think they can pull the shade over our eyes and say whatever they like. They, the NCAA forget that Wahine fans are the most knowledgeable of the system and how it works. They`re excuses are so poor that it`s ridiculous!

  • Cindy Luis December 1, 2009 at 6:06 am

    I think that they would have had a better chance at hosting had the dates been later, such as 4-5, 5-6.
    What is interesting is the team hotel is $109 before taxes. Believe UH’s bid was $89 per night.

    No, UH will never hold volleyball and football same day. It would split the fan base, many of whom attend both sports. You can’t hold the FB game much earlier than 3 or 4 because of the heat. they won’t play volleyball much earlier than 4 p.m.

  • Cindy Luis December 1, 2009 at 6:09 am

    once again the committee uses the RPI as an excuse. they went geographic when it suited them, used another criteria when it did. i think if they were consistent in how they set things up there would be fewer complaints. The Omaha regional is brutal, Minnesota isn’t

  • Stanley Ching December 2, 2009 at 9:48 am

    “No, UH will never hold volleyball and football same day. It would split the fan base, many of whom attend both sports. You can’t hold the FB game much earlier than 3 or 4 because of the heat. they won’t play volleyball much earlier than 4 p.m.”

    With reserved parking at the stadium, some volleyball attendees could make it to football if volleyball was scheduled for, say 3:00 (ending by 5-5:30), and if football was scheduled for 6:30 like this week’s Wisconsin game. For those without reserved parking at the stadium, what would be the cost of setting up bus runs to take the volleyball fans to the stadium and back to UH? Yes, they might have to forego tailgaiting for one football game, but I’d do it if it meant watching UH-USC for a spot in the regionals, followed by UH-Wisconsin in football. Perhaps UH should do some polling of fans of both sports to see whether there would be any enthusiasm for such a scenario.

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