NCAA at-large selection

May 1st, 2012

Thought the discussion on another thread deserved a new one.

Several people have said Stanford ‘got robbed.’

I don’t, based on how the selection has worked for decades IF there was a strong No1 1 through the regular season. Hawaii benefitted with that in 1996.  Granted that SC 18-4 was only 1 game ahead of second but they had won 16 in a row before the MPSF tourney.
there was a 3-way tie for 2nd. Stanford, BYU and UCI.
committee looks at the last 10 matches.
heading into the MPSF tourney
USC had won 16 in a row, last loss was 0-3 at UCLA Feb. 3. they beat Stanford twice in the regular season, lost twice early AT BYU, split with UCI.
BYU: 8-2, then 3-2 over the Beach, 2-3 vs. Stanford. regular seaaon 2-0 AT UCI, 2-0 vs. USC, 0-2 Stanford. Those six matches played consecutively over four weeks very early in the season.
UCI: 8-2, then 3-2 vs. USC, 3-2 vs. Stanford.
Stanford 7-3, including a 3-1 loss to Hawaii, which finished last. then 3-1 vs. Pep, 3-1 vs. BYU, 2-3 to UCI.
The solution, IMHO, is to go to an 8-team playoff for the NCAAs, 2 teams from the 3 conferences, 2 at large,
OR wishful thinking, PacWest sponsors men’s volleyball. current PacWest teams Cal Baptist and Grand Canyon already do. If UHHilo, HPU, BYUH and Chaminade would add the sport — in conjunction with adding women’s sand volleyball , which they’ve been discussing— you’d have four leagues. 4 champions, and then go to an 8 team with 4 at-large. just a thought.
I wish the DII schools here would add it. All of them, except for Chaminade, used to men’s volleyball. It would open up opportunities for the local kids to play and not have to leave home. As we’ve seen numerous times, that some local kids have a hard time adjusting to the mainland and are back home after a year.
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  • wen

    With UH dying for local talent to stay home how would other Hawai’i colleges adding men’s volleyball help?

  • dean

    Wasn’t Cal Baptist joining the MPSF? As for Grand Canyon, they’re invited every year. Are local kids talented enough then, to go with the MPSF? Or elsewhere in the country? Why would they have to or want to? Just to be away from Hawai’i. I’d say good luck to them.

  • warriorfan

    I think it would be great if the Pac west started men’s volleyball, it’s definitely a great oppurtunity for these schools to compete at the highest levelplus a bunch of kids will go to those schools for the volleyball programs.

    I thought there was already another conference though? Conference Carolinas or something like that?? I really do hope they go to an elite 8 tourney.

    • Cindy Luis

      thanks WF, the CC is a DIII conference. that is where the men’s game is growing. non scholarship DIII

  • jmy

    This reminds me of how the women’s tourney used to be in the 80′s…one team from the south (where Texas was pretty much the only good team), one team from the midwest (either Nebraska or Illinois), two teams from the West Coast/Hawaii where there was always a ton of great teams that belonged in the final four…agree that the committee followed the rules, agree that Stanford deserves “something,” agree that the format needs to be changed…

    • Cindy Luis

      jmy, thanks for your imput.
      however, you can not compare the AIAW with the NCAA. the AIAW (through 1980) took qualifying teams for the tourney. pool play. there was no regional play. and there were very few schools that offered women’s vb in the 70s.
      when they went to NCAA sponsorship in 1982 it was regional. UH an independent.
      not up to discussing with you the politics of the day. Regional seeding in the 80s probably prevented sone of the beat teams getting into the final four. Hawaii 86 deserved to be there. UOP 87 deserved to be there
      the best came through the PCAA-Big West those years.

      • jmy

        That regional seeding business is what I was talking about…I didn’t really keep up with vball in the AIAW days…

        • Cindy Luis

          Agree with you that the regional seeding wasn’t fair. So often the two best teams in the country were playing for the PCAA-Big West title, and then the Northwest regional, as happened with UH, Pacific, Cal Poly. the reason give was to ‘grow the sport nationally.’ but it always seemed to me that it did a disservice to the sport when the best teams weren’t competing in the final four.

  • warriorfan

    I saw on twitter that Scott Wong is recruiting Sophie Asprey to play sand. She originally signed with Tulane but isn’t on their roster.


      it’s because she’s still a senior in high school. according to the tulane website she signed her national letter of intent back in november. i thought all recruiting efforts are to be halted once an NLI has been signed unless the player initiates contact with the school/coach? second thoughts?

      • Cindy Luis

        All Wong said was he was looking at players who were at the HP event held in conjunction with the nationals. could be a change of heart by the player, much as what happened with Waber after she signed with CSU Fullerton originally.

  • Steve

    Cindy, if she signed a Tulane NLI (Indoor), can she still be persued for a Sand Volleyball NLI (Only)? Just wondering, how that would work?

  • warriorfan

    Maybe she was offered a walk on spot???

  • Sophie Asprey signed a NLI for sand volley at Tulane.

    • Steve

      Thank you, mauna, did not know that.
      Cindy, let me rephrase my question then. If a player signs an indoor NLI, can that player still be persued for a Sand Volleyball NLI?

    • Read the article FAKE M posted.

      • Cindy Luis

        Steve, they’re still tinkering with the rules. initially, they said that a player on sand scholarship could not play indoors. Indoor player on scholarship has to walk on to sand.
        but they have changed a few things, with something about sitting out for two years deal.
        Are you asking if someone signs NLI indoor with one school, can she be pursued for sand NLI with another? Can’t imagine any player transferring like that in the same school year.
        I guess since it’s two different sports, it’s a possibility but seems odd.

  • There are over 600 NLI institutions, when a student signs an NLI, she is signing an agreement to attend that insitution academically for the next two semesters or three quarters. It is not sport specific. Once its signed no other NLI institution is allowed to contact her for recruitment in any sport. She is required to inform the other institutions that she has signed an NLI when contacted.
    A student athlete may request for an NLI release should she have change of heart. If the release is granted she is eligible to be recruited by others.

  • The NCAA Eligibility Center manages the daily operations of the NLI program, membership is voluntary. All D-1 institutions are members with the exceptions of the service academies, the Ivy League and some D-2 schools. D-3 and NAIA schools are not.
    A student athlete who is unable to get a release from a NLI and attends another NLI school is subject
    to penalty. She/He will lose one year of competition in all sports and must serve one year(full time, two semesters or three quarters) in residence a the the next NLI institution. They may recieve financial aid and practice with their new team. A person can only sign one NLI in an academic year.
    A person who signs an NLI, fails to get a release but attends a NON-NLI School is not subject to the above mentioned penalty. However should they decide later to return to a NLI member school to participate in athletes they wil be subject to the penalty.

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